Citizen Concealed Carry Concerns

You are wise to see the potential for a problem, but I'm sure that nothing meaningful will be done about it until there is an unnecessary shooting of a permit holder by the side of the road. I was in a situation that could have become very ugly had the nice policeman encountered a more bullheaded individual. Nevada Highway Patrol has a policy of not returning the unloaded gun to anywhere it can be reached by the driver. Reasonable enough, although ... in my case I was told, without explanation, to open my trunk. I was not about to challenge the trooper at the time, but I believed this to be an illegal entry into a private area of the vehicle. His superiors tacitly admitted as much when I inquired about it later. I was completely unable to get them to acknowledge the potential for a needless, maybe even violent conflict someday when a trooper encounters someone who legitimately says NO to opening his trunk. My CCW is not an all purpose search warrant for my car or my person, but I'm smart enough to challenge it AFTER the traffic stop. Mark my words, if this is left unaddressed, some feckless Constitutionalist will one day end up as a martyr to his cause. He'll stare down the cops over an illegal command and likely get shot for his trouble.

As a CWP holder and father of a deputy and a police chaplain, I can say guys be careful. treat everyone as if they are one of the bad guys till proven otherwise. do not , however, go to such an extreme that you can not distinguish between them. GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU SAFE. CHAPLAINS ARE THERE FOR YOUR USE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE ASK THE CHIEF WHY NOT! WE WORK FREE

Last I checked Concealed Carry holders are the types who cooperate with Law enforcement but Finally, a Police Officer who will be on scene anytime someone needs to be defended-gee whiz Now every law abider can throw out their concealed carry permits, of course the criminals will still be packing no matter what the law says

Sir, I must respectfully disagree with you. There is no possible way for law enforcement officers to know that someone is legally carrying a firearm, its not written on their forehead. Felony hot stops are necessary for "suspects" that may have firearms. On many radio calls not much information is available. Its not an overreaction, its officer safety. Not to mention, I work in california where few people outside of law enforcement may obtain a ccw.

SD:

I hope your zeal for abusing your fellow citizens is not representative of most California LEOs, though I suspect it might be. I'm thankful for the exceptions. I was pulled over by a CHP officer a few months back after straying behind enemy lines & winding up just over the Cali border near Tecopa. The officer couldn't have been nicer. Turns out we'll be neighbors one day, as we had each recently bought retirement land in the same small Nevada town.

Everybody stay cool. I have seen very young and new cops go into the red zone as soon as a lawful person or retired leo declare, ' I am armed". My line will be, "Hi Officer, for both our safety, I'm a retired federal agent and I am armed under leosa" - with my hands on the wheel and dome light on.
Stay cool.

For ExCalifornicator:

Clearly you dont work in law enforcement, you just dont seem to get it. But thats fine. Everyone who says they are armed does not necessarily get a felony hot stop. And the word "abuse" doesnt really apply in this situation. But again, you just dont seem to get it.

For SD: Sure he gets it. He doesn't want to be abused by a cop with your attitude who carries a badge and a gun. I've seen the LAPD draw their gun during any and all traffic stops and point the gun at perfectly calm, rational law abiding citizens. Here's a message for you: Be polite. Be respectful of the mere civilians you'd like to harass. You'll be amazed at the amount of cooperation and even friendship you'll garner if you do.

I am a concealed carry permit holder . I can understand the problems LEOs go through when doing traffic stops. I was driving at night and was stopped by a DWI checkpoint asked the normal questions. They notified they were looking for a truck that looked just mine that was involved a armed robbery. About that time my heart just about jumped out of my chest ,for I was armed with my loaded Glock mod. 27 . The Trooper was quite nice about the whole thing. Ask to see my ID. You should have seen the look on his face when I told him my ID was in my left rear pocket and I had a loaded Glock on my left side. (yes my hands were in plain sight at all times) The Trooper was a little taken back but asked me to step out of my truck. I asked if he wanted to see my ID. Sure lets see it . Reached around to get my ID and fully exposed my pistol with a spare mag built into the holster. Showed my ID . and my permit which he asked for (glad he asked) Put everything back and he yelled HEY !! (scared the crap out of me lol) where did you get that mag and holster combo. Shared that info with him and six other LEO'S at he DWI checkpoint. The Trooper thanked me for letting him know about my firearm and wished everyone who is carring to let the LEO know about being armed. The number of people they stop that are CCW and don't notify them are in the high numbers. This puts everyone in "red zone" Be safe out there Bro. Pat and son Carl
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See, Robert gets it. Madjack, also not getting it. You dont know anything about me or the way I conduct business. My main concern is officer safety. Just because someone says they are legally carrying a firearm doesnt mean they are. Dropping your guard too soon can get you killed. Officer's in LA contact dangerous people on traffic stops. But I wont go futher into it becuase you also dont sound like you have worked in law enforcement Madjack. If you were you would understand.