Georgia Officer Accused of K-9 Abuse Resigns

Oh my God!

sjanc Are you kidding me?! One word PETA...

obviously didn't see sarcasm when you read my comment sjanc...

sjanc continues to show his own ignorance with each passing comment. Tasers do not numb the heart, and if people would learn hot to act, they would be unnecessary. But, people will continue to act without regard for their neighbors or the law, so tasers will continue to be used. And if you took the time to study the issue, you would learn that the possibility of being injured by a taser is much less than by a baton or even a hard empty hand control technique.

Actually sjanc its amp's not volts that are dangerous. A Taser operates on 50,000 volts with an amp reading of approximately .45 amps.

Mesa Arizona PD agreed to sign each officer that wanted a Taser for duty up to recieve a 45 second long shock. I believe almost 500 people of all sexs, age range, and health range agreed to the 45 second shock. It was done with the purpose to scientifically determine what an extended exposure to a Taser would do.

Guess what? Everyone lived, not only that, no hearts went "numb", people still breathed during the exposure and the only after affects were sore muscles from an extended full body charlie horse, (thats a cramp).

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Actually sjanc its amp's not volts that are dangerous. A Taser operates on 50,000 volts with an amp reading of approximately .45 amps.
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Well, yes and no. To have electrical current flowing, you have to have a target with some resistance R (that would be the body between taser prongs or a piece of skin between shock collar points). The amount of current flowing thought the target is then the applied voltage divided by the resistance R. Meaning, for the same taser/shock collar prongs locations, two times bigger voltage gives two times bigger current. You cannot have larger current without larger voltage. Also, the amount of electrical energy applied is therefore proportional to square of current flowing and square of voltage applied. (Yes, I am not a cop ������ I am an engineer ;) ).

Shock collar uses much lower voltage because it works on a relatively small area of skin (small R) as opposed to the taser that is meant to (temporarily) paralyze major muscles (big R). To stress this point once more ������ shock collar gives a pin-prick shock to the skin with a TINY amount of electricity, while taser paralyzes major muscles with MASSIVE jolt of electricity.


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Mesa Arizona PD agreed to sign each officer that wanted a Taser for duty up to recieve a 45 second long shock. I believe almost 500 people of all sexs, age range, and health range agreed to the 45 second shock. It was done with the purpose to scientifically determine what an extended exposure to a Taser would do.

Guess what? Everyone lived, not only that, no hearts went "numb", people still breathed during the exposure and the only after affects were sore muscles from an extended full body charlie horse, (thats a cramp).
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Yes, as disgusting as the whole idea is, still, a single shot of a taser is not going to kill a healthy adult. A body is not that easy to kill. Stopping breathing and even disrupting heart action for up to a minute is not that big of a deal. The trouble with tasers is that some cops are too stupid to use it once (or pretend to be that stupid). This is how all taser deaths occur, with "suspect" being tasered sometimes as many as 15 times. As in the "suspect" lies on the ground paralyzed from repeated taser shots and the cops keep yelling "stop resisting" while continuing to taser him/her. It makes the same difference like the one between being underwater for 30 seconds versus 5 minutes. To make a proper, realistic test of the problem, try tasering some cops 5 to 15 times and see how they like it (if they live). If these matters ever go to trial, the manufacturer will defend himself that the instruction says it clearly that the taser is not meant to be used more than once (check it out).

Another problem is with cops using taser on kids. A taser is designed to take down an athletic adult. A taser does not know that the idiot cop decided to use it on a kindergarten kid who misbehaved. (A lot of cases like that). Meaning, in relation to his body weight, a kid may end up receiving 10 times larger shock that the one that would completely incapacitate all his muscles.

Not to defend that idiot from the story, but to fire a cop in a department that uses tasers because he used a shock collar on a dog is like, I don't know, court martial a Concentration Camp SS-man because he had a jailed canary in a cage.

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I do believe it was the use of the electronic collar that got him in trouble, just as I do not believe that using a taser is wrong. However, the improper use of any of our equipment is improper.
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This, of course, cannot be argued. A screwdriver cannot be called a lethal weapon, but it can obviously be used as one. The problem is ultimately not with this or that tool, but with the people using or misusing them. A competent cop will probably carry a taser and a gun for years before he fires any of them, while an incompetent one will look for any excuse to use them at any and all opportunities.

Still, there is an almost cavalier, completely irresponsible attitude in marketing and deploying tasers. Electricity as means of torture and forcing obedience weapon has made its way from only being seen in spy movies into the mainstream and nobody even noticed.

Tasers should have been marketed as near-lethal weapons from the start, not that bull*censored*, always safe, blah, blah wonder weapons. Tasers are not safe ������ they apply a massive electrical jolt and they temporarily incapacitate all muscles, which includes heart action and breathing. When used more than once without a significant time in between shots, they GUARANTEE death. You can choke someone for 30 seconds for fun, but if you do this for several minutes, the joke makes its way to a morgue. On top of it, someone who is hit with a taser falls uncontrollably, which means that he can die if he falls on something sharp or get a severe head trauma. This is why this is so *censored*ing insane to claim that tasers are always safer than say police baton. It all depends where you hit the guy with that baton. If you hit him on the ass, it will never be as dangerous as a taser. If you hit him on the head, it becomes more dangerous than a taser.

Of course, that wonder weapon bull*censored* is started by the manufacturer who wants to sell his wares. In a certain way, this is a little fraud, because they know exactly what they are doing and are covering their asses to protect themselves from liability lawsuits. Why do you think all tasers have dataports on them? They record every shot and its time, so if someone dies after being hit 15 times with a taser the manufacturer can wash his hands. Furthermore, the air cartridges that are used by tasers shoot out tiny confetti with the cartridge serial number printed on it, so they can cover their asses in case one taser was used once (and presented for examination) while there was another taser used say 10 times.

A typical taser death story goes like this. The police report says: "Suspect was hit three times with taser, and stopped responding". (How the hell do you respond when you are incapacitated by taser shots?). The dataport readouts shows the taser was fired and applied voltage 28 times with almost no time in between. (Search internet for this story. ) At the end, some even good cops can end up being hurt by believing this "non-lethal weapon" bull*censored*. To repeat ������ tasers are quite dangerous, near-lethal weapons.

As to training dogs so they do not bite. In my experience with a very ambitious alpha German Sheppard, a muzzle is fully sufficient for it. A muzzle makes a dog very, very unhappy. With a muzzle on he cannot smell things as well as without one, cannot scratch or even lick his nose (or his balls ;), cannot lift and chew things, etc. It makes an active, playful dog, very, very unhappy because it takes away his freedom to enjoy the world. On top of it, putting the muzzle on creates instant cause-result relationship. If you bite, you will get this thing to prevent you from biting. As you no doubt know, dogs are far smarter than people who never had them give them credit for. For this reason, carrots work much better than sticks with dogs too. That alpha male was really something. He could and would jump five foot fence because he felt like he should be free to roam around. After I raised the fence, he dug holes underneath. When I buried large stones in his holes, he figured out how to disassemble the fence with his teeth. At the end it took carrots (ahem bones) and sticks such as the muzzle to convince him to stay in the yard. Still I had fun with him being able to jump that fence. When the kids would poke him with a stick to annoy him, I would tell them they should not do that because if they ever really got him angry, he could jump the fence. They say, no way. And I say: "Maverick, HOP!!!" and the dog is on the other side. ;)

To sjanc:

I agree there is no reason to use a shock collar on a dog for training.

Most dogs do not have the ability to quickly hear a verbal command and obey it.

Humans, however, do have the ability to hear a verbal command, process that command in thier brain and make a decision, "Do I obey or do I showoff for my friends or demonstrate my testosterone for my girlfriend?" For those who have even half a brain and make the decision to do what they are told, they don't get tasered.

For the idiots who think they dont have to obey the same laws that you and I and every other person in the country have to obey, there is no reason for a cop to go hands on and risk getting injured, and then having your tax dollars pay his medical bills for who knows how long and possibly pay him permanent disability pay. The whole idea of the Taser is to intimidate the idiot. But if they think they can take the hit and they act like a jackass, guess what? They get the hit.

It is a very simple equation, even an engineer can figure out. If you can't afford to pay, you better not play.

"Gainesville police chief Frank Hooper told Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones that it came as a shock to him when he learned one of his officers was accused of abusing the dog named Diego."

Nice Quote, Chief Hooper. I'll bet it was quite a "shock" to Diego as well.

Absolute 100% bull, the best and most professional trainer I have ever had the honor to learn from. The chief is an idiot along with his captain!!